Comments on: Why We Do The Work We Do http://www.mates.org.au/2010/01/03/why-we-do-the-work-we-do/ Gold Coast Motorcycle Safety Working Group Sat, 19 May 2012 12:47:19 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.3 By: Paul W http://www.mates.org.au/2010/01/03/why-we-do-the-work-we-do/#comment-173 Paul W Sat, 16 Jan 2010 11:05:25 +0000 http://www.mates.org.au/?p=1197#comment-173 Regardless of the fact most of us don't trust the stats the Post was why do we do the work we do? Because we believe in helping others in many ways , our interest is Motorcycles therefore we want to see it done safely so more people can enjoy the fun we enjoy ..and we can continue having our fun into the future... Regardless of the fact most of us don’t trust the stats the Post was why do we do the work we do?
Because we believe in helping others in many ways , our interest is Motorcycles therefore we want to see it done safely so more people can enjoy the fun we enjoy ..and we can continue having our fun into the future…

]]> By: Davo http://www.mates.org.au/2010/01/03/why-we-do-the-work-we-do/#comment-162 Davo Sun, 10 Jan 2010 00:26:05 +0000 http://www.mates.org.au/?p=1197#comment-162 And apparently 76.2% of people who disagree with the statistics form 92.1% of those in them - or to put it another way - denial is a wonderful thing, until you become a statistic. :) You really can't read too much into stats other than the blatantly obvious top level undeniable truth. And apparently 76.2% of people who disagree with the statistics form 92.1% of those in them - or to put it another way - denial is a wonderful thing, until you become a statistic. :) You really can’t read too much into stats other than the blatantly obvious top level undeniable truth.

]]> By: 2010_Lo_Busa http://www.mates.org.au/2010/01/03/why-we-do-the-work-we-do/#comment-160 2010_Lo_Busa Sat, 09 Jan 2010 07:36:04 +0000 http://www.mates.org.au/?p=1197#comment-160 Did you know 85% of stats are made up with on 5% of them having any relevance to the topic lol Did you know 85% of stats are made up with on 5% of them having any relevance to the topic lol

]]> By: Steve http://www.mates.org.au/2010/01/03/why-we-do-the-work-we-do/#comment-158 Steve Thu, 07 Jan 2010 08:14:40 +0000 http://www.mates.org.au/?p=1197#comment-158 PS recent Victorian stats claim that injuries and deaths have decreased due to use of stealth cameras. Have they not also increased RBT sites? Perhaps less drunk drivers have caused or been involved in accidents, but this is never included in any claims of lower accident figures. Drink driving seems to be less of a public issue as speeding. While visiting a popular seaside town a couple of hours north of Brisbane, i saw an obituary posted on a local noticeboard about a young boy who died on his motorcycle. He was drunk, yet the focus was that he was speeding on his motorcycle. PS recent Victorian stats claim that injuries and deaths have decreased due to use of stealth cameras.

Have they not also increased RBT sites? Perhaps less drunk drivers have caused or been involved in accidents, but this is never included in any claims of lower accident figures.

Drink driving seems to be less of a public issue as speeding.

While visiting a popular seaside town a couple of hours north of Brisbane, i saw an obituary posted on a local noticeboard about a young boy who died on his motorcycle.

He was drunk, yet the focus was that he was speeding on his motorcycle.

]]> By: Steve http://www.mates.org.au/2010/01/03/why-we-do-the-work-we-do/#comment-157 Steve Thu, 07 Jan 2010 07:59:04 +0000 http://www.mates.org.au/?p=1197#comment-157 Yes i would like to see proof of lower speed limits reducing fatalities and injuries. My opinion is that if speeds are lowered beyond the "natural" speed for any given road, fatigue is increased and therefore so are accidents. Studies have shown in many other countries (seach the web, you will find them) that stealth speed cameras do not decrease accidents. People spend more time looking at their speed rather than the road, and therefore more likely to have an accident. In the UK for example many counties have removed speed cameras from some areas as accidents have increased. If thy are outside schools, shopping centres, busy intersections etc.. IE places where the danger of speed is definitely apparent, i have no problem. When they are hidden along a clear open road with no intersections or houses in order to raise money, this is the issue. In the UK advanced riding courses (such as Bikesafe) covers "making progress". Briefly braking the speed limit to make a swift, safe overtake is acceptable. In Australia this is absolutely not acceptable. So when following someone driving 10K's less than the speed limit, it isn't ever safe to overtake unless you can see for about 3km's ahead. Driving standards in qld (in general) seem to be particularly poor, as well as the poor standard of some roads in hinterland areas, and very poor signage are all contributing to accident statistics but is not factored into them. Not having any kind of vehicle safety certificate is also a big problem in my view. I can buy a car now and never have it checked ever again as long as the rego is renewed. This is a bizarre concept which i really don't understand. Yes i would like to see proof of lower speed limits reducing fatalities and injuries.
My opinion is that if speeds are lowered beyond the “natural” speed for any given road, fatigue is increased and therefore so are accidents.
Studies have shown in many other countries (seach the web, you will find them) that stealth speed cameras do not decrease accidents. People spend more time looking at their speed rather than the road, and therefore more likely to have an accident. In the UK for example many counties have removed speed cameras from some areas as accidents have increased.
If thy are outside schools, shopping centres, busy intersections etc.. IE places where the danger of speed is definitely apparent, i have no problem. When they are hidden along a clear open road with no intersections or houses in order to raise money, this is the issue.
In the UK advanced riding courses (such as Bikesafe) covers “making progress”. Briefly braking the speed limit to make a swift, safe overtake is acceptable. In Australia this is absolutely not acceptable. So when following someone driving 10K’s less than the speed limit, it isn’t ever safe to overtake unless you can see for about 3km’s ahead.

Driving standards in qld (in general) seem to be particularly poor, as well as the poor standard of some roads in hinterland areas, and very poor signage are all contributing to accident statistics but is not factored into them.

Not having any kind of vehicle safety certificate is also a big problem in my view. I can buy a car now and never have it checked ever again as long as the rego is renewed. This is a bizarre concept which i really don’t understand.

]]> By: Steve McDowall http://www.mates.org.au/2010/01/03/why-we-do-the-work-we-do/#comment-155 Steve McDowall Wed, 06 Jan 2010 21:31:06 +0000 http://www.mates.org.au/?p=1197#comment-155 Very valid and excellent point about stats Paul, and if you drill down into the stats too deep it's not only confusing but often you end up with something that's totally misleading. We can all get very bogged down in numbers and miss the point of the exercise, even run off to fix a problem that turns out to be the wrong one! When I look at these particular stats (and they're available for anyone who needs a cure for insomnia) it's the totally out of proportion numbers for motorcyclists that stands out no matter which way we look at it. Why? I'd love to know the REAL reason, not just what the stats tell us, so we can work on it. And these cameras sound nasty - anyone want to offer Paul a comment? Very valid and excellent point about stats Paul, and if you drill down into the stats too deep it’s not only confusing but often you end up with something that’s totally misleading. We can all get very bogged down in numbers and miss the point of the exercise, even run off to fix a problem that turns out to be the wrong one! When I look at these particular stats (and they’re available for anyone who needs a cure for insomnia) it’s the totally out of proportion numbers for motorcyclists that stands out no matter which way we look at it. Why? I’d love to know the REAL reason, not just what the stats tell us, so we can work on it. And these cameras sound nasty - anyone want to offer Paul a comment?

]]> By: Paul W http://www.mates.org.au/2010/01/03/why-we-do-the-work-we-do/#comment-154 Paul W Wed, 06 Jan 2010 20:53:09 +0000 http://www.mates.org.au/?p=1197#comment-154 Lies ,damned lies and statistics... All are a manipulated result to suit the tale teller.. Heard a statement on TV the other night about new Digital cameras having accuracy to even 1 klm over the limit ..the person then said that speed accounts as a contributing factor in 25 % of all road crashes... Am I missing something or is 25% now bigger than the other 75%..or is it because it justifies the revenue coming from the use of these things ? Why is money spent on Cameras and not more Enforcement staff ? Cost ? Lies ,damned lies and statistics…

All are a manipulated result to suit the tale teller..

Heard a statement on TV the other night about new Digital cameras having accuracy to even 1 klm over the limit ..the person then said that speed accounts as a contributing factor in 25 % of all road crashes…
Am I missing something or is 25% now bigger than the other 75%..or is it because it justifies the revenue coming from the use of these things ?

Why is money spent on Cameras and not more Enforcement staff ?
Cost ?

]]> By: MATES Administration http://www.mates.org.au/2010/01/03/why-we-do-the-work-we-do/#comment-146 MATES Administration Sun, 03 Jan 2010 20:19:06 +0000 http://www.mates.org.au/?p=1197#comment-146 Steve, are you asking to see whether lowered speed limits have any effect on the stats ??? Steve, are you asking to see whether lowered speed limits have any effect on the stats ???

]]> By: Steve http://www.mates.org.au/2010/01/03/why-we-do-the-work-we-do/#comment-145 Steve Sun, 03 Jan 2010 13:06:31 +0000 http://www.mates.org.au/?p=1197#comment-145 Anyone fancy plotting a graph of deaths/injuries against lowered speed limits over the past few years? Anyone fancy plotting a graph of deaths/injuries against lowered speed limits over the past few years?

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